Norseman Construction & Development Ltd

The project involved a total basement renovation, including a laundry room, full bathroom, living room and built-in storage. The job started on time and came in exactly on budget. Our lead contractor, Greg, was excellent to deal with. He sent daily e-mails with updates and photographs of the job. He was quick to respond to all of our questions and concerns. All of my interactions with the company were very professional. These guys are pros.

Our project involved expansion of our 2 storey detached, 2 bedroom 1 bathroom home, to a 3 bedroom, 2.5 bathroom home via a rear extension.

We provided the plans and permits to Norseman that we had completed independently, and they provided the construction from foundation to completion.

Working with Norseman was a very good experience, the two concerns that everyone undergoing a renovation project has were not an issue - Norseman came in on budget and on time.
The people that we worked with during the project were great. They were all very kind and helpful. Thomas was very helpful in preparing the contract and ensuring that we considered all points that we wanted included and omitted. From there we worked primarily with Kevin and Robert as our project managers, and they saw us through the project. They were both very professional, knowledgeable and available to address any concerns that we had regarding the project.

Going through a renovation project is inevitably stressful, however we found Norseman to have done a great job of mitigating that stress wherever possible.

There are obviously too many facets of the project to go into every detail for a review here, but we are happy with our completed home.

One concern we did have with our experience was that at times there was a slight lack of attention to detail, things that were not done as carefully or properly as we would have liked. That being said, when brought to Robert or Kevin's attention, they were generally pretty quick about rectifying it.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, Robert and Kevin and the crews were great about working with us to help our paper and ink dream become a physical reality. Specifically, there were a couple of design changes that they suggested regarding the upstairs bathroom design and the basement bathroom/laundry location that turned out to be hugely positive adjustments.

Finally, a couple of big thanks to Kevin and Kris for taking the time at the end of the project to come by for a debrief at our home. It was much appreciated. It sounds as though the company is moving forward and working to address areas where we had concerns.

Also a big thanks to the guys from the demo/framing/general construction crew. They were great - I don't want to give all of their names without permission, but they were so helpful above and beyond what they were required to do (ie helping me erect the tree protection fence, adjusting the position of a door that was located incorrectly in the plans, helping me move finishing materials inside when they were delivered to site etc).

Overall a very good experience, we give Norseman an 8.5/10.

Thank you!

We are a small pub located in Toronto. Norseman Construction and Development renovated our entire building. They did a fabulous job! We have had many compliments from customers just loving our space!
Norseman was great to work with! Communication is very important to us, as this spot is our livelihood, and they were open and honest with us and had ways in which we could follow our project that we were very happy with!
We strongly recommend using them!

Norseman was professional and hardworking throughout our Reno.
We love our new addition and are looking forward to using them again for our main floor!

Complete redo of kitchen and master bath. Job was done perfectly. Workers kept the site very clean. Enjoyed working with the staff during the planning phase. Very professional.

I cannot say enough good things about Norseman - my reno experience was amazing from start to finish. I travel a lot for work but I'm also very detailed oriented and needed to stay on top of every last detail. My project manager (Kevin) was very accommodating, with daily email updates and photos of the project's progression while I was away. He was also extremely responsive to my emails, texts, & phone calls. With the exception of two minor but necessary change of work scope orders (and one purely of my choice) the project same in as budgeted. I also lived in during the project, and the Norseman crew did not even bat an eyelash at that crazy idea, and were very respectful of that choice (keeping everything as clean as can be expected under the circumstances). Again, I cannot say enough good things about Norseman, their work ethic, their professionalism, and their attention to detail. It was comforting to know that as I would not compromise on finishes and details, neither would the team. After all, it is their name on the project in the end.

In May 2016, I searched for a contractor to build my addition. I wanted one bedroom and one bathroom on my second level. I checked with four contractors. And of course, Norseman was one of them. All three told me that the minimal cost for my addition would be $80,000 – $85,000, except Norseman. The guy who came from Norseman told me that $70,000 would be enough. However, I should do the drawings with them to be able to direct the architecture designer to stay within the budget. Their designer cost $9,605. However, the company will give me $4,802.5 back when I start the job with them. And that’s why I agreed, and we did the drawings. In end of July, after they finished the drawings, he sent me an estimate with $76,000. Which I agreed and I thought that I could manage this extra $6,000. then during Aug. and Sep. He kept delaying, once he told me that we need to start with HVAC drawings and permit, then structural engineer, then plumbing, etc. I didn’t understand this delay, although I told him that we are expecting a baby on Jan 5, 2017, and I want the job to be done before my wife's due date. Unfortunately, after this delay, in Oct 2016, and before we start, he sent me another estimate with $94,000. A $18,000 above their initial one. And because I don’t have this money I said no. I called Norseman to see why this change and that I started with them because of their estimate which is $70,000. And their answer was that every partner in the company needs their share and that is why the estimate went up. I told him that I feel that they gave me a lower price, in the beginning, to make me choose them. They cost me more than $12,000 before the start which now I lost them.
The city of Toronto gave me the permit. However, they want a structural engineer to check the footage and foundation. So, before Norseman gave me the last estimate, their structural engineer told me that after Norseman starts the demolition and when they have all their equipment in the location he will ask the contractor to dig a hole in the basement to check and sign what the city wants. And when I asked him specifically, whether it is safe to start the project before getting the measurement, he said yes. He is sure everything is OK. And when I checked with one of my friends, he told me it is good they didn’t start, because people like them their only motive is money will start, and then the structural engineer will ask for more money and more things to be fixed because they all work together, and it would be my biggest mistake if I started the project before the engineer clearance.
Of course, I ended wasting more than $12,000 on the project which didnt start because of Norseman's change in their estimate. started with $70,000, then $76,000, then after I lost already $12,000 they changed their quotation to $94,000. I lost the trust of contractors and scared to lose more money and time. More important my wife and I can’t go through the stress again, especially that she is pregnant.

Norseman construction was professional from beginning to end. I hired them to do a substantial renovation on my house and not only did it get done on time, but they were great with communication and letting me and my husband know what to expect at each stage and keeping us in the loop. We were completely satisfied with their work and the price was reasonable as well. They bend over backwards in their customer service and construction departments especially David wagner and Kevin Potts.

We hired Norseman, based on their excellent reviews and the likeability of the owners and crew, to renovate our old house and build an addition. The owners are indeed amiable as are most of their crew. Sadly little of what we were sold with regards to services, planning, and management panned out.
1. Quotes: We were provided a scope of work that included completely gutting our main floor, building a 2 storey rear addition (including basement), and building everything back to a "finish ready" state (framing, plumbing, HVAC, electrical, insulation, drywall, subfloors). We made several comments about lack of detail in aspects of the contract and were assured that this was simply a "scope of work" and that detailed work plans, engineering, and materials specifications would follow. We were also assured pricing was complete to meet building code with minor adjustments for possible framing. The detailed work plan and engineering specs (except HVAC) never materialized and were told by the site manager that Norseman actually "doesn't do that". After the house was half-gutted we were informed that almost every aspect of the work was quoted incorrectly. We were told pricing was only included for HVAC, plumbing, and electrical in the new addition, not reconnection of the existing pipes, ducts, and wires that were ripped out in the course of our main floor renovation. Note: our contract stated: "Builders will move furnace. Builders will run new ductwork for all new supply registers and cold air returns. This includes relocating existing second floor supply and return registers where required" but Norseman then argued "This does not implicate an entire new HVAC system". Similarly for plumbing and electrical our contract stated "Miscellaneous work due to wall removals". These mistakes significantly increased the cost of the renovation (e.g. HVAC costs jumped by $7900, electrical by $2750). The wrong amount of insulation quoted in the contract for both the addition and the renovated areas (not to code). The price for siding did not match materials required in the designs/permits and Norseman originally requested a 25% restocking fee to change to siding that met code - this fee was "waived" when we protested. We contracted Norseman to remove the thin pour of cement in the existing basement, increase the head space as much as possible without underpinning and pour a new, waterproof concrete floor. After work started we were asked for an additional $11000 to complete the basement because the contract did not include the word "excavation". A compromise of an additional $2500 was reached that did not include maximizing the head room. Overall the job cost >40% more than original quote, not including the items that were indicated as extras. Work started in Nov, the contract and fees above were renegotiated in mid-Jan. When we tried to argue the wording of the contract we were told work would not resume unless the additional fees were paid up front. We did make changes to the work (removing some aspects and upgrading others) at that time because 1. the site manager had informed us of several aspects such as plumbing where our contract did not include materials that would qualify for municipal building credits, 2. we realized aspects quoted did not necessarily meet building code, 3. we were no longer confident they could complete the work as promised and 4. we were unsure if we could now afford to complete the renovation as planned. (Side note: Bank policies regarding property assessment mean you cannot increase or secure home renovation loans or home-line credit if your house is already under construction - even if you have saved all the cash to pay for your renovation + extras go to the bank and increase your home line or available credit before you start...)

2. Work Plans and communication:
We were promised that detailed engineering and work plans would be provided at the start of work only to be told later by the site manager that "they don't do that". There were no engineering drawings or work plans provided to the trades (e.g. electricians were only given a list of how many outlets and lights to install, no layout or drawings to work from; framers had to "wing it" using the architect's designs printed on 8.5x11" paper, which were not to scale; plumbers had no drawings, etc). This lack of planning and documentation resulted in frequent and serious mistakes including building the new foundation 2.5" wider than in the original architects drawings and encroaching on the property line (for which the city then required new designs and a new survey); door and window openings having to be cut out and reframed; and the eaves extending over the property line. There were also multiple stages of work where no one was sure what had been completed because there was no record keeping. No one who showed up at the house to work ever had any idea of what they were supposed to do as there were no work plans in place. Both Norseman's crew and hired trades were stressed out or angry due to lack of organization. Trades were hired, arrived, and then had to leave again (repeat scenario multiple times) because the site wasn't actually ready for them to work. City inspectors refused to conduct inspections because basic safety measures (temporary stairs, railings, etc) were not built (in fact we had to install construction stairs and railings ourselves). A significant planning issue arose with windows - while new windows were included in the architects drawings no mention of ordering windows was made by anyone until the work started at which point we were asked "when are your windows coming?". We admit we did not notice the lack of windows in the contract (and expected the charge to one of the additional costs) however we hired Norseman as a complete "design and management" service and so expected them to manage the entire project.
Communication broke down shortly after work started. While our site manager was quick to answer phone calls and texts he was vastly overextended and there was a definite lack of communication between levels of organization. Inquiries and complaints to the management frequently went unanswered, took weeks or repeated requests to answer, or were answered with contract legalese as opposed to well considered solutions. Upper management was frequently surprised by what was happening (or lack of what was happening on site). Supplies showed up at the wrong time or were the wrong supplies. Workers frequently showed up with no supplies or tools on site (we felt really bad for Al, a lovely and very competent tradesman who spent half his time on our job having to go shopping or borrowing our tools). No one (not site manager, not crew, not owners) ever wrote anything down while on site even though we requested they have a clipboard or other documenting procedure available. Trades were scheduled without the house being ready for them and had to be sent away. Norseman's crew frequently arrived not knowing what work needed to be done and asking us for direction.

3. Work Flow: Our contract stated that work would take no more than 5 months but we were assured repeatedly that the actual work would only take 2-3 months (part of the reason for hiring Norseman). The start date was pushed back twice, however the initial work (excavation and laying new foundation, external waterproofing, framing new addition) proceeded in a timely manner (~3 weeks) with contracted tradesmen. Norseman's own crew began demolition of the existing main floor in late Nov but work essentially stopped after the first week of Dec. The house stood empty for weeks at a time while Norseman's crews was elsewhere. The crew would arrive for about a day and a half after we would ask for updates but never stayed long enough to finish anything. Demolition (removing main floor walls and finishes, opening back wall) was still not completed in early Feb. The house was in a limbo state of demolition and framing for months. Norseman tried to explain this delay as the Christmas break (many weeks, not days) and changing the scope of work however contract changes only occurred mid-January when we had to renegotiate the mistakes made in the original price quotes (see quotes section above). Norseman's crew told us in Feb that they currently had 21 other open jobs. We found work only proceeded in a timely manner mid-Feb to end of April because we took over managing the project ourselves (we got up every morning, called the site or project manager to ask why there wasn't anyone at the house, created our own work flow documents and check lists). We ended up doing some of the work ourselves (completing demolition, installing safety railings and construction stairs for workers and inspectors, cleaning up after work crews, properly screwing down subfloors). Plumbing, electrical, framing, and HVAC were all scheduled for the same week in March (rather than back to back) in a mad rush to finish ahead of the contract end date meaning these trades were getting in each others way, were upset with the work conditions, and again had to "wing it" to correct mistakes and work around each other. Every trade scheduled in March informed us Norseman booked them as a "rush job" rather than on an organized management schedule. We had leased a temporary apartment until after the contract end date but we had to put all our furniture in storage and move back into the house with no drywall, no running water, and only 2 connected electrical outlets. The work took twice as long as the contract end date and 4x as long as they assured us it would take. We still have permits open 1.5yrs after start of work - while part of the current permit issue is due to a change of personnel at the city inspector office in the last year these permits (plumbing and HVAC) should have been closed in March or April 2015. We understand the owners are now putting in their own time to finish up this administrative aspect, which is good because managing the permits was part of the construction contract.

5. Mistakes, unfinished work, and damages:
Norseman's own crew were not careful and damaged many parts of the house not included in the renovation, which costed us additional money and work to repair. One of Norseman's crew cut through the stringer of our second floor stairs with a reciprocating saw while removing a non-supporting wall beside the stairs (late-Nov) (the crew actually didn't know that the stairs were staying in place). We pointed out the damage and asked for it to be repaired. It wasn't fixed after several weeks so we repeated the request more than once including all managers/owners in the communications. As of mid-Jan nothing had been done and we complained that the stringer was starting to come apart and the stairs were no longer safe. Norseman then offered to build us new stairs for $10,000, which we had not budgeted for. Their first repair consisted of a 3 ft piece of 2x6" wood attached with one (1) screw to the stringer. We complained. The second repair consisted of 2x10" board nailed to the stringer - the angle of the board did not match the angle of the stringer and the nails were protruding through the original stringer onto the stairs. This board was not secured to the floor or ceiling joists. Unfortunately the stairs had deteriorated beyond repair in that time frame and we replaced them ourselves. Grading the basement for a new floor essentially did not happen - the concrete contractor who arrived to pour the floor stated the basement was not ready for concrete and frantically worked with 2 of Norseman's crew to clean the footings and push dirt around. No gravel or weeping tile was laid as per the contract. We had also stated that the basement did not appear to be ready for concrete. They pushed ahead and poured the concrete anyway. The floor was 6 inches lower at one end of the basement than the other and 2 inches higher in the middle than on the sides. A large crack formed across the middle where the concrete was too thick. We informed Norseman that the work was unacceptable. The concrete was eventually removed and replaced and weeping tile and gravel installed but it took months for Norseman to decide to fix it (only after we informed them if they didn't move quickly we would hire an outside company to do the work at Norseman's expense). Again the company hired to pour the new floor had to schedule and reschedule over the course of 1.5months while they waited for the basement to be ready for them. One of our windows and part of our door were broken during installation which took months of repeated contacts to eventually repair. Eaves, door frames, and the neighbours' properties on both sides were damaged. Norseman eventually fixed the damages on our house but not all the damage to the neighbours. The site manager indicated the neighbours would have to make an insurance claim to complete repairs. Norseman's crew constantly left jobs unfinished (e.g. A horizontal support beam for the second floor, required to replace the original back wall of house, was not installed until April when the inspector pointed out it was missing; the main and second floor of the addition were not bolted to the original house until the inspector pointed out the bolts were missing; someone put up joist hangers on a beam supporting the main floor but didn't attach the hangers to the joists; we had to pull out hundreds of nails and pieces of lathe that were in the way of drywall installation, a 1-2" gap left between the existing bedroom floor and the new subfloor as well as the ends of the existing subfloor left free-floating). These items were eventually completed because we took over managing the project and we had nit-picky inspectors. Norseman NEVER cleaned up after themselves (except to cart away heavy debris) or the trades, and left garbage and supplies all over our property and the neighbours' properties. We ended up doing the cleaning ourselves to prevent the massive amounts of plaster and lathe debris from being enclosed in the drywall and to accommodate the work of electricians and HVAC techs. Actually, Norseman once sent a guy to clean up after the drywall installation, because I complained angrily, but he only cleaned half the house before he got called to another job - he never came back to finish the clean up (note we had already moved back in).

5. In the end the work was completed and the renovation and addition to the house appear sound. Norseman's owners are still working on closing the permits and have made sure that all the loose ends are tied up and the majority of damages repaired. Norseman has assured us they will "stay with us" until permits are closed. The independent trades that Norseman hired (framing, electrical, HVAC, plumbing, drywall, siding, 2nd round of concrete) were all competent, efficient, and professional. In the end Norseman agreed to credit us storage fees and some additional costs incurred due to contract delays.
You may ask why we didn't just fire Norseman mid-contract? We did considered it more than once but felt it was too late in the game and we were too financially committed to be able to find a new contractor. We also felt overall the owners and crew had good intentions, they just didn't seem to be able to get this job under control. Norseman gets excellent reviews from other clients and we are unsure how our job went so very, very wrong especially at the level of planning and management. We are quite sure the numerous mistakes and delays cost Norseman significant amounts of money (above the costs we incurred). One of Norseman's employees indicated that the company went through a major change in format around the time we hired them for the design phase (summer 2014) and that they were struggling with the new project management format and were vastly overextended. We have been told that Norseman overhauled their staffing again in 2015.
If you are considering hiring Norseman you should 1. talk with at least 3 of their current/recent clients to assess how those jobs are proceeding, 2. do not accept their "scope of work" as your contract, insist on a contract that includes any and all details and specific materials, as well as defined optional pricing for 'what-if' scenarios (e.g. if they might have to repair old joists after removing a ceiling so get a price per joist in advance rather than an "optional pricing" statement), 3. get a second opinion on the contract details to make sure materials exceed building code and include standards for municipal/provincial/federal rebates, 4. insist on detailed work flow and engineering specs for framing, electrical, plumbing, and HVAC (separate from the architect's drawings) BEFORE work begins and as part of your signed contract, 5. get proof of how many open contracts they have and how many jobs each construction manager is responsible for (they definitely had more than they could handle during our project), 6. make sure your contract includes clearly stated and detailed consequences for damages (and time to get them repaired), and 7. include a "contract end date penalty" (many other companies we deal with guarantee per day credits (e.g. $100/day) for exceeding their contract end date or incomplete work).

Important side note: Purchase your own windows/doors from a trusted, local window contractor. Norseman's door/window supplier (we were never given the name, despite asking, but it is a supplier that only deals with contractors) provided poorly constructed windows - we've had to have all of the new windows and doors repaired or serviced. The windows also turned out to be more expensive and took longer to build than windows we've purchased from Pioneer or Gator. Also that supplier does not service the windows once installed so Norseman has had to put in many extra hours to source parts and repairs.